Investment

[Randall]

Hello :grin:

Most of the people interested are from staff so I thought lets just use this section for a while. If we want we can make another section just for investment and some excluded staff members would not be able to see it.

I have already assigned the access levels for this thread. So it is safe here.

Thanks.

-Nameslot.

 

[mann3r]

may I know the details of this things admin? Investment for what? like business discussions?

 

[Randall]

Yes we did had an initial discussion over here http://www.nameslot.com/Domain-name-investors-group-t-2267.html

It will give you some idea about this investment and combined efforts from some of us.

Thanks.

 

[jignesh]

Thanks admin,
i go through that thread and i m really interested. i have post my reply there.

thanks

 

[Randall]

Yes I think today that competition is also going to end.

Lets start this whenever as soon as possible. I have heard that nielsencl and sohil both have something to say. So lets wait they will post something tonight. We can get started on it as soon as we are all clear.

BTW how is your health right now, Jignesh. I hope it is not so serious.

 

[RCRiver]

I'm confused!

If the development is required for it. Then we can discuss what and how to develop it. If someone from us can get it done in specified time and with specified money then he will get the money from the funds as if he is just a person acting as our programmer

I understand this to mean buying development time with invested funds (even though the developer is from within the group)

We should be like a company where we all work

Exactly. We just don't want money investing persons. There are lots of them who can invest and make profits but then all the work load will come on others. We surely require the experts in some thing or the other. The people who can contribute the ideas and are wise enough on making decisions.

Other then that we cannot take a person in group just for his investment of $100.

I understand this to mean contributing development time (for free) in addition to invested funds.

Is the proposition to invest money with which we will buy development time.

Or

Is the proposition to invest money + development time.

???

 

[jignesh]

BTW how is your health right now, Jignesh. I hope it is not so serious.

Its fine now, still it will take some time to recover. i got prescription from doctor and feeling batter than yesterday.

thanks for asking..:grin:

 

[nielsencl]

RCRiver,

This idea just came from that trouble-maker Nameslot. Some of us have like some ideas and added others, so there is some confusion for most of us as to what this will be exactly. What I think most of us agree on is that we are interested in trying to do something more as a group or a company.

We have all come to know each other somewhat and we all seem to like and respect each other. We also each have different skills, abilities, and resources. While each of us can and do have some kind of business that we do, we all learn from each other and benefit on an informal fashion.

I think what we are doing is talking about being organized into some type of structure where we contribute different things for a common goal of getting filthy rich. Just kidding. Making more money is part of the motivation, but most of us also feel that if we can also help others, the same tide raises all boats, and we gain more on a spiritual/friendship level.

One long-term goal I would like to have is to be able to invest in those that have time and aptitude that we can help to develop their own small business of some kind. In return for our investment, they pay us back with interest over time as they can. I first heard about the concept of "microloans" a few years ago and the large changes you can effect with such a small investment is cool. And since the loans are small, the risk is also small.

Short-term, we have to figure out what we want to do and what kind of structure we want to have that is fair to all. I don't mind a money-only investor if it gives us more to work with, but I think perhaps their percentage should be a little less of the profits, maybe. Giving money is easy (if you have it), giving of yourself and your personal energy is not so easy.

Our first thing to do would be to take stock of our inventory and see what we have to work with. We have domaining, SEO, site building, programing, hosting, marketing, PPC, webmastering, web reporting and analysis, and link building skills that I am aware of.

One thing that I might be able to contribute is strategy for a large network of sites. Most of us already have sites that can provide links and traffic. By being part of the network, we all contribute some traffic to the other sites and in return receive traffic back. The concept is to have as many resources and different kinds of good sites that once someone visits the network, they move around to different sites and only leave us when they use a paid ad of some kind.

 

[Randall]

I understand this to mean buying development time with invested funds (even though the developer is from within the group)

Yes so that no one thinks his time is being wasted for free.

I understand this to mean contributing development time (for free) in addition to invested funds.

Yes time is to be invested the person who is working is to be looked upon we cannot just give him the work and then wait for the outcome we will have to guide them at some points.

Is the proposition to invest money with which we will buy development time.
Is the proposition to invest money + development time.

It is a proposition to invest money and earn returns.

For that whatever things needs to be done will be done.

One small example. If we want PR 5 links from 10 sites for some project of ours. And if from investors there are ten PR 5 sites then why to give the money out. Why not buy it from that investor as if he is someone from outside. So atleast the money goes in the investors hand.

Another example. If one investor knows how to write one line which other investors doesn't know. Then that investor can do it. If he wishes to do it.

If he doesn't wishes to do it then we can find a person - a freelancer who can do it for us.

But if the investor is good at something and is talented then why to try out a freelancer we don't even know. Why not the investor handle it himself. He can charge the money as per the market rates. If his time is more costly then everyone's time would be costly. Because If we as a group will start comparing that his time is costly and others time is cheap then it will land us no where. All investors time will be costly. It is just that if he wants to do some good for the group then he should come forward with his talent and take on the responsibility himself. If he doesn't takes it then freelancer is the only way. And if freelancer work is not a quality work then not one but all the investors are at loss.

My main interest here is not the money. Invested money I can bring it out 5 times then the initial investment within 2 hours of time. [I know some people will not believe this but... it's so so....]

My interest is to start something. We could have started with even donating one useless domain name each. And I could have sold it and brought the money and could have brought new domains and would have collected enough money to buy us premium domains and development with guys to work for us. But if this was to be done then no one would be serious about it.

I am not telling that we should be lenient we should be a ruthless businessman and investors should protect their investments. Plus talking about a ruthless businessman if I could have raised the initial deposit then I would have done this all myself. It is also not that I want to make profit and I don't have money to invest. I have it. It is just that if we do this small scale this could develop into something unexpected in future and can allow us to trust each other much more then we do right now.

 

[getaddicted]

hey guys, whts up.. Sorry i had been away from this topic.. Back now..

So we all people just started and share few Ideas and now there is a sudden brake .. So What are the plans. We should start with something atleast in the beginning Then only we could process with all things..

So lets get Started soon.. im working on fewer ideas And would let u know soon.. What about u all people. Anything in ur mind..

 

[nielsencl]

At this point we have a lot of ideas but not a lot of discussion. I don't think it's going to work like this. Trying to do this as a group is more complicated and it needs some structure.

It's like we have all these great engine parts lying around, but we need a frame and a plan to make the car we can all ride in.

 

[RCRiver]

but we need a frame

I agree, this is the reason for my earlier posts.

I believe that the foundation for the frame is the mechanism for maintaining the balance of equity.

I thought that nameslots' earlier statement that everything would be paid for out of the invested funds was a good suggestion for maintaining the balance.

an example:
Someone could not just do 3 days work and then expect their share to go up, because that would mean someone elses share would have to go down.
If that is the case, then those with more spare time would eventually own all the equity.

another example:
one person does more work than most others, but does not receive anything for it.
they are then unhappy, and this may cause arguments.


I understood nameslots' earlier statement to mean that the shares are fixed at time of investment. If work needs to be done, and a member wishes to do it, then they would need to provide a cost estimate for the work, the group would then vote to decide which estimate to accept.

In this way, the funds are fairly distributed, members are compensated for their efforts and there are no disagreements over equity shares.

I am not saying that this is necessarily the best way of managing the equity - more ideas are very welcome!

 

[Randall]

How about a demo run?

Lets just imagine we all have invested $50 in the funds and then start talking how to go on from there. We will come to know if this is working and if there are problems we can fix them before giving it a real run. :grin: As a developer this is what came to my mind. I hope this demo run will atleast give us some insight about the real dealings.

Lets accumulate it in some paypal account. It can be anyone from us. It doesn't matters.

So here is my $50 investment. Plus the paypal fees added to it. I don't know how much they cut in your accounts but in mine those people are cutting too much. They usually cut $4 to $5 for $50 transactions. :grin:

Lets get the investment (Imaginary) and then start investing :grin: (Imaginary)

 

[getaddicted]

hello, So this topic always gets dead quiet soon.. This are the things which happen always.. we just discuss and dont implement. i really want to start something atleast but many times im also short of time..

And the same thing is happening with all of us.. And we are not quiet serious on this things.... But as u know that i keep trying things and i have something with me currently...

I just would like 2 take help of all you guys... Now i would tell you all the Details about it soon.. But before i have few questions and i want all the suggestions from you..

If we got a Domain name n In 1 yr it should make $50 to $100 approx..
Through parking, developing or any way. It should make that much money.... So what u guys think how that should be done........ And remember 1 thing im talking about 1000's of names.. and each domain making that much approx.... some may make less like $30 in 1 yr.. but approx u can say around $50 to $100 in 1 yr....

Please post your ideas, suggestions Whatever you could.. If we got te way i would get the best Deal for every1 .......

Start Posting

 

[Randall]

Means we can buy in good domain names and park them as an investment?

Lets count somethings if we are a group of 4 investors and are willing to park say 1000 domains then each investor would approximately have to get 250 domains worth of money into the funding. I don't know exactly how many domains and what kind of domains we would be getting so I don't know its price. Maybe it can vary from $2 a domain name to $100 a domain name.

The investment is good idea and I had always waited for reply from someone to give it a demo run.

Thanks.

 

[getaddicted]

hello admin,

Yes i know Domain parking is the option but the thing is that much revenue is not that easy i mean it could be done.. but not that easy.. The thing im asking is i need more option.. I got the good ideas. but need exposure..

1000 names is just the start it wound go 2000, 3000 like that.. Just the thing is what are the option...

Parking is 1 option...

i would like 2 know others.. And lets take this are new domain names.. Investment is 2nd thing currently..

im talking like if we have adsense or other programs.. If you are serious about things we could really make is bigger and best... so get the best what u can get..

 

[Randall]

If we are reffering to developing it into a site and then making profits or making profits by selling that site. Then I think it will be more money in it with much less investment.

We have to get good domain names. Which sometimes comes at good price. We can even reg some good ones that are available and have development value to it.

Script we can make it that is not a problem. Time taken for developing the script would solely depend on the type of the script that goes with the type of the domain name which we have brought in.

Marketing: We all are mostly familiar with marketing a website and how to go on with promoting it more and more.

On an average if counted I think we can get the first fruits out in 3 months. Lets say if we wait for PR update so that the buyer can see it on toolbar and can pay us more considering that PR also an option.

 

[getaddicted]

ok admin good suggestions. n its good we can make more money.
but just remember I'm talking about 1000 names so considering tht we need to think.

 

[nielsencl]

I'm willing to try one site to start with. We need someone to serve as a "leader" and to keep things organized. But we all need to contribue about the same amount in different areas.

If we can all work on one site and have it work, then would should be able to do 10. Then 100. Then 1,000.

Heck, if we can all work on a site and sell it for $5-$20k in 3 to 6 months, that may be more worthwhile that trying to create hundreds of average little sites, no?

 

[Randall]

Agreed Nielsencl. Would you mind taking the leader position. It doesn't feels good to be an admin and also take a leader role. [Looks partiality from where I see it]

I am in. Nielsencl and getaddicted I thing you both are also in, but we will have to confirm on it from your sides. If nielsencl takes on the leader role then I can send my "I am In" PM to him :grin:

Thanks.